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	<title>Talking Identity &#124; Nishant Kaushik&#039;s Look at the World of Identity Management &#187; Identity Services</title>
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		<title>Identity Services should be like Vitamins, not Crack</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nishant Kaushik</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Identity Services]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Cloud Identity Model]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, so it&#8217;s a ridiculous title. But hear me out.
Matt Flynn brought to my attention an article in which Dale Olds talks about the need for hosters (companies that provide the platform on which you deploy your Cloud/SaaS applications) to provide identity services (and as Matt points out, security services in general) as part of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so it&#8217;s a ridiculous title. But hear me out.</p>
<p>Matt Flynn <a href="http://bit.ly/ab7V0e" target="_blank">brought to my attention</a> an <a href="http://bit.ly/bnVj4C" target="_blank">article in which Dale Olds talks</a> about the need for hosters (companies that provide the platform on which you deploy your Cloud/SaaS applications) to provide identity services (and as Matt points out, security services in general) as part of their offering.</p>
<p><em>&lt;Side Note&gt;No, I do not have a vendetta against Novell, though these last few blog posts may make it feel that way. I actually really like the Novell gang &#8211; Dale, Ben and Nick Nichols among others &#8211; and for the most part completely agree with their views on identity.&lt;/Side Note&gt;</em></p>
<p>Now, I am with Dale for the first half of the article. Developers of these cloud applications just want to focus on the business logic that is at the core of their service, and not have to worry about the plumbing items, which would include identity management. This is fundamental <strong>service-oriented security</strong> principles at play, and the survey Dale mentions reflects this (I would argue that even the one-third of SaaS vendors that said they want to handle identity themselves are either saying so because they don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s involved or are just not happy with what they are getting from the platform and embeddable components). A good set of identity services goes a long way in making applications agile and more acceptable/appealing to customers.</p>
<p>But then the article talks about hosters using identity services as a way to make their platform sticky, because if the platform owns the user accounts for the service, then the service will be hooked. I actually envision the opposite of that when I think of identity services in the platform &#8211; identity services making it possible for the SaaS vendor to switch between platforms easily. What is being described sounds like an Identity Provider, which is a business service, not a platform service.</p>
<p>What the platform should provide, and what most enterprise customers would want, is an <a href="http://bit.ly/cpDs9R">Identity Hub</a> service, as opposed to an Identity Store service. This allows the customer of the SaaS application to plug it into their enterprise identity store (usually a corporate LDAP system, but it could also be their Salesforce user store) and also accept incoming identities over the wire, while still freeing the SaaS vendor from having to manage identities. In this model, the stickiness for the hoster comes not from owning the user accounts, but from the QoS of the identity services they are providing to their customers (the SaaS vendors and their delegated customers). It also doesn&#8217;t force a SaaS vendor to be married to one platform.</p>
<p>Now, I am going to be a little presumptuous here. Having spent some time with Dale, and knowing his past work, I think that he believes in the view I am taking as well. The article seems to be discussing the topic of identity services from a particular angle, which is that there is currently a market opportunity for hosters to leverage the lack of good (non-enterprise) Identity Providers to make their platforms more sticky. It is absolutely true that platforms can (and are actively seeking  to) make themselves sticky by owning the accounts; Dale points out that  this is exactly what Google did by leveraging GMail as the gateway drug  (see, I told you the metaphor works). But as Google seeks to penetrate  the enterprise market deeper, even they are recognizing the need to  support federated identities as a necessary step for viability. (<strong>UPDATE</strong>: An <a href="http://bit.ly/cXkSmU" target="_blank">old blog post</a> of Dale&#8217;s actually clarifies this, and in essence agrees with the view point I am stating here &#8211; exactly as I thought he would <img src='http://blog.talkingidentity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>Bob Blakley has long mused about what business models would make Identity Oracle&#8217;s viable. And the simple truth is that  platform players like Google or Force.com <em>that can leverage an identity-rich business service that they also have</em> are ideally suited to be trusted Identity Providers. But while a big platform player can certainly be a good Identity Provider, not all hosters should need to be Identity Providers to be successful. Instead, standards based identity services would be a great asset for hosters that want to be sticky (by being the best platform to deploy on) without having to take on the onerous task of being an Identity Provider (which has its own challenges) or passing on those responsibilities to their customers (which is what mostly happens today). And it would be an asset for SaaS vendors that want to have the freedom of choice that we all crave, and that want to be able to work with their customers identity infrastructure. As Dale says in the article:</p>
<blockquote><p>You see, people can move an application from one host to another without  much trouble.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, isn&#8217;t that a good thing, and something that we should be aiming for?</p>
<p class="tags">Tags: <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/cloud-identity-model" rel="tag">Cloud Identity Model</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-services" rel="tag">Identity Services</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/saas" rel="tag">SaaS</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/service-oriented-security" rel="tag">Service-Oriented Security</a></p>
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		<title>Screencast of my OpenWorld Session on &#8220;IdM and the Cloud&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nishant Kaushik</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Monday, I presented at Oracle OpenWorld on the topic of &#8220;Identity Management and the Cloud: Stormy Days Ahead?&#8220;. The title proved to be a little too prescient, because the weather in San Francisco was pretty nasty. And as you can imagine, the number of jokes made about this became all to predictable.
Unfortunate coincidences on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.oracle.com/us/openworld/index.htm"><img class="alignright" title="Oracle OpenWorld 2009" src="http://oracleimg.com/admin/images/oow09/ocom_oowsf09_reg_banner.gif" alt="" width="185" height="125" /></a>On Monday, I presented at Oracle OpenWorld on the topic of &#8220;<strong>Identity Management and the Cloud: Stormy Days Ahead?</strong>&#8220;. The title proved to be a little too prescient, because the weather in San Francisco was pretty nasty. And as you can imagine, the number of jokes made about this became all to predictable.</p>
<p>Unfortunate coincidences on the title aside, the overall response to my session was quite positive, especially from folks whose opinions I really respect like <a href="http://bit.ly/3iVPOq" target="_blank">Bob Blakley</a> and Lori Rowland from the Burton Group. There was general agreement that widespread adoption of Cloud Computing is going to be a major disruption on the existing evolutionary path that Identity Management has been following. And adoption of the Identity Services model is a major component to readying IdM for the Cloud.</p>
<p>Check out the screencast (slides with audio of the session) of my session below. Registered attendees of OpenWorld can download the presentation itself and the MP3 audio recording of the session from <a href="http://bit.ly/1OgIvs" target="_blank">OpenWorld On-Demand</a> (just login with the Username and Password you created during your OOW registration).</p>
<div id="__ss_2222693" style="width: 425px; text-align: left;"><a style="font:14px Helvetica,Arial,Sans-serif;display:block;margin:12px 0 3px 0;text-decoration:underline;" title="IdM And The Cloud: Stormy Days Ahead?" href="http://bit.ly/bRO1u">IdM And The Cloud: Stormy Days Ahead?</a><object style="margin:0px" classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" width="425" height="355" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><param name="src" value="http://static.slidesharecdn.com/swf/ssplayer2.swf?doc=s309525-idmandthecloudstormydaysahead-091014121834-phpapp02&amp;rel=0&amp;stripped_title=idm-and-the-cloud-stormy-days-ahead" /><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><embed style="margin:0px" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="355" src="http://static.slidesharecdn.com/swf/ssplayer2.swf?doc=s309525-idmandthecloudstormydaysahead-091014121834-phpapp02&amp;rel=0&amp;stripped_title=idm-and-the-cloud-stormy-days-ahead" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object></p>
<div style="font-size: 11px; font-family: tahoma,arial; height: 26px; padding-top: 2px;">View more <a style="text-decoration:underline;" href="http://www.slideshare.net/">presentations</a> from <a style="text-decoration:underline;" href="http://bit.ly/eYtlC">Nishant Kaushik</a>.</div>
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<p>The audio includes the questions that were asked of me, and turns out that the questions didn&#8217;t record well and I forgot to repeat them. Hopefully my answers are cogent enough that you get an idea of what questions were asked. I did want to follow up here on this blog post a few of those answers:</p>
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<li>A question came up regarding the licensing terms for Oracle IdM products when they are being used in a cloud environment (specifically, by organizations that are going to be Cloud Providers of Identity Services). The biggest challenge for such organizations is that they cannot accurately estimate the number of users, or other such variables licensing is typically based on, beforehand, which creates uncertainty for them as to the cost they will have to bear. After the session, I confirmed with our PM team that there is special licensing available for ISVs. Talk to your Oracle sales rep about this if interested.</li>
<li>Another question came up regarding the impact of all this on standards like SPML. I believe my answer covered my opinion on the greater emphasis the cloud identity model will put on the evolution of these standards, especially SPML, which has been languishing. Follow up conversations with some of the original architects of the SPML standard and others involved in standards efforts brought up that the communities responsible for these standards are looking at this very hard and are gearing up efforts to address this. So stay tuned for more on that.</li>
<li>A question was asked regarding Just-In-Time Deprovisioning of access to cloud-based assets. This is something <a href="http://bit.ly/4lX6Wr">I discussed quite a bit in a blog conversation</a> with folks like <a href="http://www.tuesdaynight.org/2009/02/05/will-the-real-federated-provisioning-please-stand-up.html">Ian Glazer</a> and <a href="http://eternallyoptimistic.com/2009/02/05/federated-de-provisioning/">Pam Dingle</a> a while back. So check out that <a href="http://bit.ly/4lX6Wr">post</a> and the related thread.</li>
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<p class="tags">Tags: <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/cloud-computing" rel="tag">Cloud Computing</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/cloud-identity-model" rel="tag">Cloud Identity Model</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-services" rel="tag">Identity Services</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/oow09" rel="tag">OOW09</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/oracle-openworld" rel="tag">Oracle OpenWorld</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/oracle_idm" rel="tag">Oracle_IDM</a></p>
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		<title>I&#8217;ll be talking at OpenWorld on IdM and the Cloud</title>
		<link>http://blog.talkingidentity.com/2009/10/ill-be-talking-at-openworld-on-idm-and-the-cloud.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nishant Kaushik</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Identity Services]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Insight IdM]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Cloud Computing]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[OpenWorld]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Oracle OpenWorld]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[As I mentioned at the end of my last post, I&#8217;ll be speaking at Oracle OpenWorld on the topic &#8220;Identity Management and the Cloud: Stormy Days Ahead?&#8220;.This year, I got a slot that is at a far more reasonable hour. In fact, it is after the morning keynotes on Monday, and before the general sessions [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.oracle.com/us/openworld/index.htm"><img class="alignleft" title="Oracle OpenWorld 2009" src="http://oracleimg.com/admin/images/oow09/ocom_oowsf09_reg_banner.gif" alt="" width="185" height="125" /></a>As I mentioned at the end of my last post, I&#8217;ll be speaking at Oracle OpenWorld on the topic <strong>&#8220;Identity Management and the Cloud: Stormy Days Ahead?</strong>&#8220;.This year, I got a slot that is at a far more reasonable hour. In fact, it is after the morning keynotes on Monday, and before the general sessions with our SVPs, so I feel a little bit like a warm up act. Here are the details:</p>
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<li><strong>Session ID: </strong>S309525</li>
<li><strong>Location: </strong>Moscone South Room 308</li>
<li><strong>Date and Time: </strong>10/12/2009 | 11:30am-12:30pm</li>
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<p>Below is the abstract for the session, in which I plan on expanding a great deal on the <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/2009/09/identity-services-the-cloud-podcast-now-available.html">presentation I did in the webinar with KuppingerCole</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><img src="http://www20.cplan.com/cc221_new/images/hp_spacer.gif" alt="" width="2" height="1" />Cloud computing is about to revolutionize enterprise IT and architecture. But leading industry analysts see security as a gating factor preventing enterprise adoption of cloud solutions, as enterprises grapple with the unique characteristics of cloud security and the challenges of compliance and governance. This session outlines key identity management considerations for evaluating a move to the cloud. It discusses how enterprises can leverage their existing identity and access management infrastructure and the principles of service-oriented security and standards-based interactions to secure their assets in the cloud. It also looks at the prospects for identity management as a service and how it will affect cloud computing&#8217;s future.</p></blockquote>
<p>As I prepare for my talk, I found myself revisiting some of the previous talks I gave at OpenWorld the last few years. It was very interesting to see how my vision for Identity Services has evolved over that time. I found it a most amusing exercise, so I thought I would extend the courtesy to my readers. To that end, I have uploaded my previous OpenWorld presentations to <a href="http://bit.ly/eYtlC">my Slideshare page</a> (you can also get to them from the links on my <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/speaking">Speaking</a> page). I can&#8217;t believe I thought the <em>Love Guru</em> angle was a good one to take for a tech talk <img src='http://blog.talkingidentity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If you are going to be attending OpenWorld, you can pre-register for my session using the <a href="http://www35.cplan.com/sb221/login.jsp">Schedule Builder tool</a> for OpenWorld attendees. And as always, ping me on email/LinkedIn/Twitter if you want to meet up that week. Look forward to seeing you there.</p>
<p class="tags">Tags: <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/cloud-computing" rel="tag">Cloud Computing</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-services" rel="tag">Identity Services</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/openworld" rel="tag">OpenWorld</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/oracle-openworld" rel="tag">Oracle OpenWorld</a></p>
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		<title>Identity Services &amp; the Cloud [Podcast now available]</title>
		<link>http://blog.talkingidentity.com/2009/09/identity-services-the-cloud-podcast-now-available.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nishant Kaushik</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Identity Services]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Cloud Computing]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[My webinar with KuppingerCole on the topic &#8220;Identity Services and the Cloud: What Every Enterprise Should Know&#8221; went pretty well yesterday. KuppingerCole has made the recording available for viewing, which you can download here (you have to register for a free account; trust me, its worth it). Or you can just check out the deck [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My webinar with KuppingerCole on the topic &#8220;<strong>Identity Services and the Cloud: What Every Enterprise Should Know</strong>&#8221; went pretty well yesterday. KuppingerCole has made the recording available for viewing, which you can download <a href="http://bit.ly/22CIkK">here</a> (you have to register for a free account; trust me, its worth it). Or you can just <a href="http://bit.ly/EFgpm">check out the deck</a> I presented.</p>
<p>It started off with Martin Kuppinger talking about his views on cloud computing and identity management. I then spoke for about half an hour on how I think cloud computing will disrupt traditional enterprise identity management &#8211; but in a good way.</p>
<div id="attachment_648" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 510px"><a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/idm_disrupted.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-648" title="IdM disrupted by the Cloud" src="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/idm_disrupted.jpg" alt="Enterprise IdM, Interrupted" width="500" height="264" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Enterprise IdM, Interrupted</p></div>
<p>More than anything else, cloud computing is going to accelerate the evolution of identity management to a services-based model. I have, of course, been talking about <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-services">identity services</a> on this blog and <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/speaking">at OpenWorld and other forums</a> for quite a while now. But the need for good security and controls in the completely elastic, plug-and-play world of the cloud mandates that identity be externalized into an infrastructure layer.</p>
<p>I wish we had left more time for questions during the webinar, because I would have loved to hear from folks about their thoughts on the topic. Hopefully there will be a chance for discussion when I speak on this at Oracle OpenWorld (session details below). In the meantime, check out the <a href="http://bit.ly/22CIkK">webinar recording</a> or <a href="http://bit.ly/EFgpm">my deck</a>. And as always, I encourage you to leave me some comments.</p>
<h4><a href="http://www.oracle.com/us/openworld/index.htm"><img class="alignleft" title="Oracle OpenWorld 2009" src="http://oracleimg.com/admin/images/oow09/ocom_oowsf09_reg_banner.gif" alt="" width="185" height="125" /></a>Identity Management and the Cloud: Stormy Days Ahead?</h4>
<p>Session ID: S309525 | Moscone South Room 308</p>
<p>10/12/2009 | 11:30am-12:30pm</p>
<p class="tags">Tags: <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/cloud-computing" rel="tag">Cloud Computing</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-services" rel="tag">Identity Services</a></p>
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		<title>Burton Catalyst 2009: Waiting for the World to Change</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nishant Kaushik</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my last post, I talked about the SIG meetings that I attended prior to the conference actually starting. There was lots of good content and discussion, which continued on into the actual sessions. I had thought of splitting my time between the Identity and Cloud Computing (new to Catalyst this year) tracks. But the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/2009/08/burton-catalyst-2009-the-twisted-web-we-weave.html">my last post</a>, I talked about the SIG meetings that I attended prior to the conference actually starting. There was lots of good content and discussion, which continued on into the actual sessions. I had thought of splitting my time between the Identity and Cloud Computing (new to Catalyst this year) tracks. But the content in the IdPS track was compelling enough that I found myself only able to attend a couple of CC sessions.</p>
<h3>Day 1: A focus on IdM evolution</h3>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if this was par for the whole conference, but at least in the IdPS track, each half day was devoted to a particular theme. The first half of day 1 was a landscape update as usual, and focused on some of the interesting developments in the space, like Oracle&#8217;s pending acquisition of Sun (that&#8217;s all I&#8217;m going to say on that topic), the <a href="http://blog.ianyip.com/2009/01/identity-and-data-security-go-hand-in.html" target="_blank">integration of DLP (data leakage prevention) with IdM</a> programs, and the emergence of some commercial Identity Oracles.</p>
<p>I especially liked Bob Blakley&#8217;s discussion on <strong>Identity Services</strong>, since it resonated with a lot of what I have been <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-services">talking about on this blog</a> and the work I have been doing at Oracle. In his talk on the subject, Bob pointed out that cloud-based identity services will challenge the fundamental architectural notions of IdM infrastructure. The large blocks of IdM functionality that we are used to &#8211; access management, provisioning etc &#8211; will get broken down into smaller, modular pieces &#8211; like identity proofing, enrollment, identity risk assessment, breach remediation &#8211; that can interplay within enterprise environments as required. This is pushing the market towards smaller, specialist vendors that handle specific services rather than the large IdP that is a one stop shop for all identity needs. And these services have to work in concert with each other to provide the enterprise the value they are looking for. The vendors that have emerged in this space are delivering their services via various deployment models &#8211; ranging from on-premise SaaS to cloud-based services &#8211; but mostly stick with the per-user/per-transaction billing model. And all of them are going to get a big push when some of the cloud security issues currently holding enterprises back get resolved.</p>
<p>The second half of the day focused on a big part of IdM&#8217;s evolution &#8211; the <strong>mainstreaming of role management</strong> and the ascending discussion on the <strong>nature of Entitlement Management</strong>. Role Management is now widely accepted as an important part of any comprehensive identity management practice, and Kevin Kampman&#8217;s talk on the subject highlighted the importance of positioning it as a business problem instead of a technical problem. In discussing the results of a survey Burton conducted with customers that did role management projects, Kevin laid out the premise that the tools are actually secondary when it comes to implementing role management. First and foremost is the need for customers to understand the business processes that impact the design and use of roles, and document the same so that a practice could be built around them.</p>
<p>And as role management has taken hold in the conscious of IdM practitioners everywhere, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/2009/05/entitlement-management-more-than-meets-the-eye.html">entitlement management</a> is rearing its head as a disruptive topic. In what was a theme for the conference, Burton laid out a terminology issue that exists around the term &#8220;entitlement management&#8221;, which is often used to describe tools that deal with runtime evaluation of fine-grained authorization decisions (like what Oracle Entitlement Server does), and neglects the lifecycle management practice around entitlements and their assignments. As customers dig deeper into their role management projects, they are finding that what they really want to do is entitlement management. And the tools to help with the lifecycle side of this equation are just not there.</p>
<p>The day finished at the hospitality suites, where a lot of the evolution being discussed here was on display. There was also a very successful <a href="http://identityblog.burtongroup.com/bgidps/2009/07/cloud-sso-interop-demonstration.html">interoperability event demonstrating SSO for cloud-based applications</a>, a first step towards management of the extended cloud-based enterprise by enterprise IdM deployments. All in all, day 1 was quite satisfying. But the best was yet to come.</p>
<p class="tags">Tags: <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/burton-catalyst-conference" rel="tag">Burton Catalyst Conference</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/catalyst09" rel="tag">Catalyst09</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/entitlement-management" rel="tag">Entitlement Management</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-services" rel="tag">Identity Services</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/role-management" rel="tag">Role Management</a></p>
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		<title>Burton Catalyst 2009: The Twisted Web We Weave</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nishant Kaushik</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m finally settling back into work after a wonderful week out in sunny San Diego at Burton Group&#8217;s annual Catalyst Conference. And it wasn&#8217;t just the weather outside that was wonderful. Inside you could find some thought-provoking sessions, inspiring discussions and great people. It&#8217;s given me way too much to blog about, and I hope [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m finally settling back into work after a wonderful week out in sunny San Diego at <strong>Burton Group</strong>&#8217;s annual <strong>Catalyst Conference</strong>. And it wasn&#8217;t just the weather outside that was wonderful. Inside you could find some thought-provoking sessions, inspiring discussions and great people. It&#8217;s given me way too much to blog about, and I hope to be able to put some of it out here. But if you are interested, I have captured <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/downloads/my-catalyst-2009-tweet-stream">my tweet stream from the conference</a> (since Twitter search only goes back a few days), though it can be rough reading. But as Dave Kearns <a href="http://vquill.com/2009/07/dearth-of-blogging.html" target="_blank">tried to remind us tweeters</a>, we shouldn&#8217;t forget the value of a well written blog post (or two).</p>
<h3>The SIG Meetings</h3>
<p>For me, the conference was divided into two parts. Monday and Tuesday I attended a few SIG meetings on topics that were varied yet highly interconnected. Monday was a meeting of the Concordia Workshop, which is now a <a href="http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/concordia/Home" target="_blank">discussion group</a> under the new Kantara Initiative. The focus of the meeting was <em><strong>Use Cases driving Identity in Enterprise 2.0: The Consumerization of IT</strong></em>. The ever intrepid Eve Maler has <a href="http://projectconcordia.org/index.php/Catalyst_pre-conference_workshop_agenda#Agenda" target="_blank">posted materials from the day</a> to the Concordia site, so you can check them out yourself. While the individual discussions covered all manner of areas, the connecting thread throughout was <strong>Authorization</strong>. There was a morning discussion where a panel talked about the progress made in the authorization space, from the <a href="http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/200907/msg00019.html" target="_blank">XACML API contributed to the TC</a> by Oracle and Cisco, to the emergence of AuthZ as the critical service in the identity services reference architecture being developed in the Burton Group ISWG (which I have been participating in and writing about). <a href="http://twitter.com/MikeG514" target="_blank">Mike Gotta</a> and Alice Wang gave an excellent talk on the emerging concerns regarding social tools in the enterprise, and a lot of those concerns again boil down to authorization issues, in this case regarding data and information. Eve talked about <a href="http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog/categories/protectserve/" target="_blank">her work on the ProtectServe protocol</a> that enables authorized data sharing from a user perspective. And the day finished with a talk on Levels of Assurance, a critical piece in allowing for partners to make informed authorization decisions.</p>
<p>Tuesday started with a meeting on <em><strong>Cloud Computing Security and Identity Management</strong></em>. As readers of my blog/twitter know, I have been saying for a while that cloud computing is going to have a major impact on the identity management business, in much the same way that compliance concerns did a few years ago. It is probably a sign of the immaturity of the market that the discussion was focused on describing the challenges to be solved rather than any solutions.</p>
<p>The meeting included a deep dive presentation by Liam Lynch, Ebay&#8217;s Chief Security Strategist, on how the auction giant tackles their internal cloud computing needs. There were a few points made during his presentation that I found interesting:</p>
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<li>eBay is into cloud computing as a provider, not a consumer, since they allow 3rd party developers to create their own auction sites on eBay infrastructure using a development kit called eBox</li>
<li>As such, eBay feels that security considerations have to be made inherent in cloud architecture as they cannot rely on these 3rd party developers to not make mistakes</li>
<li>eBay uses contextual behavior and reputation, including biometric analysis, as the underpinnings of its identity management strategy. Reputation and behavior analysis generate (over time) dynamic identity claims that then get used in access control decisions</li>
<li>eBay found RBAC to be a bad match for their performance requirements, and shifted to a claims-based model for authorization. In this model, claims are attached to the data object being accessed itself (sort of a next-generation ACL). The access then compares the claims the actor has at runtime with these to make an authorization decision.</li>
<li>Liam made the point that managing access through roles was a bad model for them, which is why they went claims-based. I understand the performance concerns that arise when evaluating RBAC at runtime, but for managing the grants of access, nothing beats a role-based model. So I was a little surprised by his statement. When I dug deeper, it turned out that they simply replaced RBAC with Organization-based AC, and not because of performance reasons but because of compliance reasons since the org change has approval attached while the role change did not. So it wasn&#8217;t really an issue with RBAC, just the implementation they had in-house.</li>
<li>Liam pointed out that a move to the cloud can be an opportunity to fix broken internal processes, since the cloud will amplify any issues you may have</li>
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<p>The meeting also had Nils Puhlmann, co-founder of the <a href="http://www.cloudsecurityalliance.org/" target="_blank"><strong>Cloud Security Alliance</strong></a>, speaking to the participants on the need to come up with a practical security checklist that all Cloud Service Providers could be measured against, so that enterprise customers can make accurate assessments of the risk with using a particular CSP. He called for greater vendor involvement and focus on the cloud, since the cost dynamics of the cloud make adoption inevitable. And that CSPs need to be more transparent about their security controls and policies.</p>
<p>Later that afternoon I attended the next meeting of the <em><strong>Identity Services Working Group</strong></em> that I&#8217;ve been participating in. There were a lot of new folks in the audience, so it was a good opportunity to recruit new blood into the effort. As Kevin Kampman presented the work that had been done previously on the Authentication service and laid out the effort lying ahead on the Authorization service, we got into highly spirited, and productive, discussions on the nature of the services architecture. One of the points made repeatedly (and which was echoed later in the week during the sessions) was the terminology issue that plagues the identity community, in this case around words like Policy (vs. policy). There was a strong sentiment from the group that policy management needs to be made part of the overall framework for it to work properly. And there was also a strong push from the group to try and condense the best of the prior efforts at defining AuthZ services into our vision.</p>
<p>While on the surface all of these SIGs were on different topics, I found them to be highly intertwined. Identity concerns in cloud computing are tied in directly to the need for an identity services architecture that allows cloud services to leverage enterprise identity (and therefore security) apparatus, thus reducing risk for the enterprise and providing compliance with both internal and regulatory controls. And Enteprise 2.0 is mostly about the intrusion of  cloud-based services like social media into the enterprise environment (or the extrusion of the enterprise into commercialized IT services, depending on how you want to look at it), where concerns about consistency of identity and controls are foremost in the minds of CIOs and CISOs everywhere. So while the discussion is still somewhat fragmented (as it probably should be at this time), I look forward to all of this coming together nicely in the future (maybe even at a future Catalyst conference).</p>
<p>I think I need to do a better job breaking these posts into smaller, more readable chunks. My next post(s) will focus on the sessions themselves.</p>
<p class="tags">Tags: <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/authorization" rel="tag">Authorization</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/burton-catalyst-conference" rel="tag">Burton Catalyst Conference</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/catalyst09" rel="tag">Catalyst09</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/cloud-computing" rel="tag">Cloud Computing</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/ebay" rel="tag">eBay</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-services" rel="tag">Identity Services</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/kantara-initiative" rel="tag">Kantara Initiative</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/oracle_idm" rel="tag">Oracle_IDM</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/project-concordia" rel="tag">Project Concordia</a></p>
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		<title>Identity Management and Cloud Computing: This Ain&#8217;t No Shotgun Wedding</title>
		<link>http://blog.talkingidentity.com/2009/07/identity-management-and-cloud-computing-this-aint-no-shotgun-wedding.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nishant Kaushik</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the introductory post in a series I hope to write regarding Identity Management and Cloud Computing, leading up to a talk I will be giving at Oracle OpenWorld on the topic (details to come). But before we dive into the topic, I do need to lay some groundwork around some relevant concepts.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the introductory post in a series I hope to write regarding <strong>Identity Management and Cloud Computing</strong>, leading up to a talk I will be giving at Oracle OpenWorld on the topic (details to come). But before we dive into the topic, I do need to lay some groundwork around some relevant concepts.</p>
<h3>What Is Cloud Computing?</h3>
<p>You&#8217;d think this would be easy, given how much everyone is talking about it. But a search on google will show you that there is actually <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13953_3-9938949-80.html" target="_blank">a lot of debate on what the term stands for</a>. Cloud Computing is a fairly elastic term that has been shape-shifting over time to encompass more and more disciplines in the area of IT operations. For a detailed explanation, I would suggest checking out <a href="http://www.burtongroup.com/Guest/Pdf/CloudOverview.pdf" target="_blank">this (free) research paper</a> by the Burton Group. For the purpose of my discussion, I am going with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing" target="_blank">basic view</a> that Cloud Computing encompasses all those *aaS concepts we have been hearing about for years now that allow every single layer in the architecture of an application (including hardware) to be utilized as a service over the internet:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>SaaS (Software as a Service):</strong> through which application services are offered (examples abound like Gmail, Salesforce.com, Zoho)</li>
<li><strong>PaaS (Platform as a Service): </strong>through which application platform/middleware services are offered (like the Google App Engine)</li>
<li><strong>IaaS (Infrastructure as a Service): </strong>through which underlying computing resources like processing,storage and networking are offered (think Amazon’s EC2)</li>
</ul>
<p><a href="http://www.echannelline.com/usa/story.cfm?item=24691" target="_blank">Gartner has said</a> that there are 5 basic attributes of a cloud computing model:</p>
<ul>
<li>It is service-based</li>
<li>It is scalable and elastic</li>
<li>It shares a pool of resources</li>
<li>It is metered by use (aka pay-as-you-go)</li>
<li>It uses internet technologies</li>
</ul>
<h3>Different Types of Clouds</h3>
<p>There has also been some <a href="http://datacenterdialog.blogspot.com/2009/01/are-internal-clouds-bogus.html" target="_blank">controversy around the concept of private clouds</a>, with different folks defining it differently, or even positing that there is no such thing. I think <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/hosted/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=216500083" target="_blank">Private Clouds</a> are real and different from traditional data centers, and essentially refer to cloud computing environments dedicated to a single tenant (thereby not adhering to the sharing attribute). The waters get muddied even further when you bring up the concept of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#Hybrid_cloud" target="_blank">Hybrid Clouds</a>. We&#8217;ll see how this is relevant later.</p>
<h3>What Does This All Mean For Identity?</h3>
<p>When we start to think about applications being delivered over the cloud, or enterprises relying on a cloud computing model instead of a data center model, we start to see certain implications for the identity architecture within.</p>
<ul>
<li> What is the identity model for these services? Can it co-exist with the enterprises existing identity model?</li>
<li> Fundamentally, how will the users of these cloud services authenticate? And how will their access rights be managed and enforced?</li>
<li> Will the cloud services have access to the enterprise identity stores (that are likely not in the cloud)? Is there a integration approach? Is there a replication strategy?</li>
<li> What security controls exist around the identity data gathered, stored or used by these cloud services? Will they be in compliance with applicable regulations (like jurisdictional regulations on geographic location of data, PCI DSS) and an enterprises internal controls?</li>
<li> Who (from the service provider side) will have access to the data? How will that be managed?</li>
<li> How will the enterprises data be effectively segregated in a shared environment?</li>
<li> What audit controls exist to allow investigation and discovery?</li>
</ul>
<p>Generally speaking, the reason companies are considering cloud computing is to avoid the expense involved in building or acquiring the infrastructure, and to some extent managing it. However, without paying attention to the security and governance implications, those cost savings will actually evaporate when they either try to retrofit their existing business policies and controls into the cloud environment, or when they have to deal with the fallout from a breach or issue. I think we&#8217;ve all seen this particular movie before, so the question is whether we are paying attention to the lessons learnt. Lets talk about this, and examine how externalizing identity is crucial to making cloud computing viable.</p>
<p><a href="http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2009/03/let-the-clouds-make-your-life-easier.html"></a><a href="http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2009/03/let-the-clouds-make-your-life-easier.html"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-553" title="Let the Cloud Make Life Easier" src="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/6a00d8341d3df553ef01156f3f1664970b-800wi.jpg" alt="Let the Cloud Make Life Easier" width="500" height="403" /></a></p>
<p class="tags">Tags: <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/cloud-computing" rel="tag">Cloud Computing</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/compliance" rel="tag">Compliance</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/iaas" rel="tag">IaaS</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-services" rel="tag">Identity Services</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/oracle_idm" rel="tag">Oracle_IDM</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/paas" rel="tag">PaaS</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/saas" rel="tag">SaaS</a></p>
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		<title>The fun never stops in Identity World</title>
		<link>http://blog.talkingidentity.com/2008/10/the_fun_never_stops.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nishant Kaushik</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Identity Services]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Digital ID World]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ISWG]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Oracle OpenWorld]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Boy, it was an exhausting September. There was a lot going on between work, Digital ID World, Oracle OpenWorld and the Burton Identity Services Working Group. Unfortunately, this left me little time to write on this blog. But hopefully all of you were able to follow my real-time thoughts on Twitter. If you are interested, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, it was an exhausting September. There was a lot going on between work, <strong>Digital ID World</strong>, <strong>Oracle OpenWorld</strong> and the <strong>Burton Identity Services Working Group</strong>. Unfortunately, this left me little time to write on this blog. But hopefully all of you were able to follow my real-time thoughts on <a href="http://twitter.com/NishantK" target="_blank">Twitter</a>. If you are interested, check out my <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=&amp;ands=DIDW&amp;phrase=&amp;ors=&amp;nots=&amp;tag=〈=all&amp;from=NishantK&amp;to=&amp;ref=&amp;near=&amp;within=15&amp;units=mi&amp;since=2008-09-07&amp;until=2008-09-11&amp;rpp=15" target="_blank">DIDW tweets</a> and my <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=&amp;ands=&amp;phrase=&amp;ors=&amp;nots=&amp;tag=OOW08〈=all&amp;from=NishantK&amp;to=&amp;ref=&amp;near=&amp;within=15&amp;units=mi&amp;since=&amp;until=&amp;rpp=15" target="_blank">OpenWorld tweets</a>.</p>
<p>It was interesting to see the amount of discussion going on around the topic of <strong>Identity Services</strong>. At DIDW, there were a number of different sessions that looked at different parts of the Identity Services challenge. Kim Cameron talked about claims-based identity transactions in his keynote. All the different discussions on Liberty&#8217;s <strong>Identity Assurance Framework</strong> were trying to deal with improvements needed in the authentication service. Some of the necessary standards discussions came up in the session on &#8220;Bootstrapping Identity Protocols&#8221;. And of course Jamie Lewis talked about it in his keynote.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pitka_wired_2.jpg"><img style="border-top-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 5px; border-right-width: 0px" src="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pitka_wired_thumb.jpg" border="0" alt="pitka_wired" width="180" height="240" align="right" /></a>At <strong>OpenWorld</strong> I once again took on the task of trying to illuminate the masses on identity services. It isn&#8217;t a topic that usually gets a lot of interest at OpenWorld, since the attendees are mostly interested in figuring out real world implementation issues. So the sessions most attended were the ones that looked at best practices and customer case studies. Also, being scheduled for the first session of the day at 9am didn&#8217;t help drive up my attendance numbers.</p>
<p>But I did get a pretty decent crowd, all things considered, and got some good questions and very good feedback and validation on the content of my presentation. I did try to spice it up by throwing in a bit of humor centered around &#8220;<em>The Love Guru</em>&#8221; (since identity services is all about achieving identity nirvana); not sure if that helped or hurt. I wanted to post the presentation here for all of you, but OOW presentations are paid content controlled by Oracle, so I can&#8217;t. But I will be adapting that presentation for some talks I am giving to customers on the topic of Identity Services, and I will post that presentation, along with a discussion of how my architecture has evolved, in an upcoming blog post.</p>
<p>October is looking to be just as busy. Of course there is all the usual stuff going on at Oracle. Tomorrow I&#8217;ll be doing a quick dash across the border and back for the second all-day workshop of the ISWG. Then later this month I will be heading to Europe, where I will be meeting with some customers and attending Burton&#8217;s European edition of the <a href="http://www.catalyst.burtongroup.com/EU08/index.html" target="_blank">Catalyst Conference</a>. I will be part of a panel that includes other ISWG members from TD Bank, BT, Credit Suisse, IBM, Sun, Novell and, of course, Burton that will be talking about Identity Services and presenting some of the work we have done in the working group. Catalyst Europe is in Prague, which is a city I absolutely love, so I am pretty excited about that too. Should be a fun month.</p>
<p class="tags">Tags: <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/digital-id-world" rel="tag">Digital ID World</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-services" rel="tag">Identity Services</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/iswg" rel="tag">ISWG</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/oracle-openworld" rel="tag">Oracle OpenWorld</a></p>
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		<title>The Frameworks are Coming</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nishant Kaushik</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Identity Services]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read with great interest Kim Cameron&#8217;s most recent post about the Beta release of Zermatt, Microsoft&#8217;s new identity application development framework. It is a step towards the kind of programming framework that I have been talking about and working on with my colleagues at Oracle for a while now. So I am just a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read with great interest Kim Cameron&#8217;s <a href="http://www.identityblog.com/?p=1002" target="_blank">most recent post</a> about the Beta release of <strong>Zermatt</strong>, Microsoft&#8217;s new identity application development framework. It is a step towards the kind of programming framework that I have been talking about and working on with my colleagues at Oracle for a while now. So I am just a little bit jealous that Microsoft beat us to it. But at Oracle, we have a whole different set of challenges that we are dealing with.</p>
<p><img style="border-top-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px" src="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/programming_framework.jpg" border="0" alt="Programming_Framework" width="218" height="182" align="right" />Coincidentally, the version we are developing internally is code-named <strong>IDx</strong> (According to Kim, Microsoft&#8217;s internal name for Zermatt used to be IDFX). The first version is being built as the underlying platform for Fusion Applications. But my main job on this project is to make sure that it does not end up as an Oracle proprietary framework, and can become a true development platform on which anyone can build identity-enabled applications, running on top of any identity management provider (MS, Oracle, Sun, etc.).</p>
<p>That is a challenging task, and requires a strong standard API as an abstraction between the application and the identity management providers supporting it. One of my hopes for the Burton Groups <strong>Identity Services Working Group</strong> is that they will help us ratify what this standard interaction needs to be (of course, we are planning on contributing in a major way to the definition of these APIs, and have been working hard on some aspects of these as part of the <a href="http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/standards/idm/igf/index.html" target="_blank">IGF initiative</a>). Hopefully, we can do the right thing, and justify Pamela&#8217;s optimism for the future.</p>
<p>Zermatt allows applications to incorporate a claims-based identity model for authentication and authorization. The claims-based model is one that I brought up in <a href="http://static7.userland.com/oracle/gems/nishantKaushik/IDaaSDIDW.pdf" target="_blank">my talk at DIDW</a> almost one year ago. Microsoft has <a href="https://connect.microsoft.com/Downloads/DownloadDetails.aspx?SiteID=642&amp;DownloadID=12901" target="_blank">published a whitepaper</a> in conjunction with the Beta release, and I&#8217;ll be taking a look at it to learn and to contrast it with our approach. I&#8217;ll talk about my thoughts on Zermatt in the upcoming weeks.</p>
<p class="tags">Tags: <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-frameworks" rel="tag">Identity Frameworks</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-governance-framework" rel="tag">Identity Governance Framework</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-services" rel="tag">Identity Services</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/iswg" rel="tag">ISWG</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/microsoft-zermatt" rel="tag">Microsoft Zermatt</a></p>
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		<title>The Optimist is feeling a little pessimistic</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nishant Kaushik</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems like the recent Catalyst conference led the Eternal Optimist, Pam Dingle, to question how we are doing as an industry. It is true that a lot of the messaging has shifted from what enterprises need to accomplish based on their unique needs to &#8220;check-off the list&#8221; buzzwords like GRC (which Bob Blakely called a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like the recent Catalyst conference led the <a href="http://eternaloptimist.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Eternal Optimist</a>, Pam Dingle, to <a href="http://eternaloptimist.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/what-are-we-trying-to-do-and-how-do-we-measure-success/" target="_blank">question how we are doing</a> as an industry. It is true that a lot of the messaging has shifted from what enterprises need to accomplish based on their unique needs to &#8220;check-off the list&#8221; buzzwords like <em>GRC</em> (which Bob Blakely called a &#8220;four letter word&#8221;), <em>RBAC</em> and <em>User-Centric</em>.</p>
<p>Pam&#8217;s definition about why Enterprises should invest in identity is not new, nor has it never been said before. But it seems like periodically, people need to reiterate the message to remind people that they should keep their eye on the ball. Too many times, the people going into identity projects do so because of a corporate mandate, with little understanding of why exactly they need to do it, or what the needs are that they are trying to address.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t quite share Pam&#8217;s pessimism expressed in the second half of her post. When she asks</p>
<blockquote><p>The <strong>really</strong> interesting question will be whether or not the big vendors will ever start enabling truly integrated provisioning and SSO support for the full range of their products.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think she asks a question that many have been asking, and some of us are starting to work on. The key word here is &#8220;work&#8221;, because the vision for standardized identity services is still just that &#8211; a vision. Reality is that there are a number of enterprises out there that are implementing identity services strategies on their own, but there is no concrete way for COTS and SaaS applications to rely on identity services for these critical functions. Even Oracle&#8217;s work in this area (which I have been blogging about for a while) is proprietary at this point, and very much driven by the vision for Fusion Applications that is articulated in Pamela&#8217;s hope for stack offerings with an &#8220;integral adherence to an identity vision, instead of bolted-on adherence&#8221;. This is one of the main reasons why I have joined the <strong>Identity Services Working Group</strong> that the <a href="http://bgidps.typepad.com/bgidps/2007/03/the_latticework.html" target="_blank">Burton Group is running</a>, to work with the community on defining the missing pieces that can make identity services a cohesive solution that all applications can be built on.</p>
<p class="tags">Tags: <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-services" rel="tag">Identity Services</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/iswg" rel="tag">ISWG</a></p>
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