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	<title>Talking Identity &#124; Nishant Kaushik&#039;s Look at the World of Identity Management &#187; Relationship Management</title>
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	<description>An Architect&#039;s Quest to make sense of the world of Identity and Access Management</description>
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		<title>The new Identity Equation</title>
		<link>http://blog.talkingidentity.com/2009/05/the-new-identity-equation.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 02:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nishant Kaushik</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Personal Identity Management]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Relationship Management]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Twitter]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few days ago, I tweeted about this CNET article that talks about the plans that Twitter has to expand their search service into what could be one of the most powerful real-time search engines anywhere. The key to this whole thing is the idea of reputation &#8211; that ephemeral quality that will improve the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few days ago, I <a href="http://twitter.com/NishantK/status/1731934163" target="_blank">tweeted</a> about <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10235360-2.html" target="_blank">this CNET article</a> that talks about the plans that Twitter has to expand their search service into what could be one of the most powerful real-time search engines anywhere. The key to this whole thing is the idea of reputation &#8211; that ephemeral quality that will improve the search quality by bubbling to the top results that are more relevant based on how reputed the source is.</p>
<blockquote><p>Twitter Search will also get a &#8220;reputation&#8221; ranking system soon, Jayaram told me. When you do a search on a &#8220;trending&#8221; topic&#8211;a topic that is so big it gets its own link in the Twitter.com sidebar&#8211;Twitter will take into account the reputation of the person who wrote each tweet and rank the search results in part based on that.</p></blockquote>
<p>The article does mention that the engineering team at Twitter is still trying to figure out how to do this. But no more than a day later, Stan Schroeder of Mashable <a href="http://mashable.com/2009/05/08/gfail-twitter/" target="_blank">pointed out</a> one of the key aspects to making reputation work &#8211; it has to be context-sensitive with respect to the identity of the source and their authority on the subject.</p>
<blockquote><p>Thinking about it, it seems that this reputation ranking system is far more complex than a simple combination of factors such as followers and retweets. The system needs to be <strong>contextual</strong>; it needs to recognize which tweeple are important for a certain keyword or phrase. For example, tweets from the White House, Barack Obama and politicians aren’t that useful in the context of a Gmail outage, but they’re crucial during some political event.</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words, the reputation engine (if it is to be done right) can&#8217;t just look at the number of followers, the number of retweets and hashtags. It also can&#8217;t rely purely on the 140 character biography that all the tweeples have posted on their twitter profiles. No, to really do this thing justice, Twitter (or some other company that could step in) would need to navigate the semantic, social and identity web in a way that builds up an accurate picture of a persons authority regarding a particular subject. And it is not just based on what we put out there, but even more so on what others put out there in response.</p>
<p>If this feels like somebody is about to start building a credit score of our online lives, it isn&#8217;t too far off the mark. The implications in the area of personal identity management and privacy could be huge!</p>
<p>This highlights a change we are seeing in the personal identity space. Since there are no secrets any more (as <a href="http://notabob.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Bob Blakley</a> is wont to remind us every now and then), relationships and reputation are likely to become the primary variables in the identity equation. The question therefore is, what tools do we need to manage and control our online identity in light of this new perspective on identity? Is it simply about having an OpenID and clean living? What tools do the social networks like Facebook and LinkedIn need to incorporate that give us control over not just what we put out there, but what others put out there about us? It&#8217;s a tough nut to crack, and should make for some interesting discussions at IIW next week. Maybe I&#8217;ll throw it up there on the board as a topic.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/001_300/051.html"><img class="aligncenter" title="Joy Of Tech" src="http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/001_300/051.gif" alt="" width="513" height="475" /></a></p>
<p class="tags">Tags: <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/personal-identity-management" rel="tag">Personal Identity Management</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/relationship-management" rel="tag">Relationship Management</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/reputation-management" rel="tag">Reputation Management</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/twitter" rel="tag">Twitter</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/twitter-search" rel="tag">Twitter Search</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/user-centric-identity" rel="tag">User-Centric Identity</a></p>


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		<title>Delving deeper into Relationship-based RBAC</title>
		<link>http://blog.talkingidentity.com/2008/07/delving_deeper_into_relationsh.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nishant Kaushik</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Identity Services]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Insight IdM]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[RBAC]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Relationship Management]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Relationship-Based RBAC]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ian Glazer thinks that I have opened Pandora&#8217;s box by talking about the need to bring context and intent into the area of RBAC by using relationships (one of many ways to express context). I think it&#8217;s a topic ripe for some discussion, so I&#8217;m glad to be the one taking the lid off.
Mat Hamlin [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian Glazer <a href="http://www.tuesdaynight.org/2008/07/10/context-and-intent-nishant-kicks-the-rbac-hornets-nest.html" target="_blank">thinks that I have opened Pandora&#8217;s box</a> by talking about the need to bring context and intent into the area of RBAC by using relationships (one of many ways to express context). I think it&#8217;s a topic ripe for some discussion, so I&#8217;m glad to be the one taking the lid off.</p>
<p>Mat Hamlin left an interesting comment on my previous post, in which he tried to understand what exactly I was trying to say. He asks:</p>
<blockquote><p>In your scenario, is Patient Y in a particular Role that has a relationship with the Attending Doctor Role?  Or is it attribute based?  Role to Role relationships could be modeled, but real-time, logic based Role to attribute (or individual) relationships fall outside Role definition, IMO.</p>
<p>There are too many scenarios pertaining to the relationship of the two individuals (and the surrounding conditions).  What if Doctor X is not allowed to treat infants, and Patient Y is an infant.  Or what if Doctor X is a contractor and is not allowed to treat patients with a certain insurance? Or has this patient ever reported a complaint against this doctor? What if this data changes often?</p></blockquote>
<p>Let me explain how relationship-based roles are defined, and how they address the scenario I posed in my previous post.</p>
<p>When discussing Relationship-based RBAC, one will usually find that, by necessity, the access control policies are defined by people different from the people who will manage relationships. Thus, the admitting nurse or the triage desk may create an &#8220;<em>Assigned Doctor</em>&#8221; relationship between Dr. X and Patient Y when Patient Y is admitted. These people, working the front line, are unaware (as they should be) of access control issues and needs. Their job is to simply find a doctor to assign the patient to. They are usually the ones making decisions about the creation of the relationship based on things like whether the patient is an infant, what specialization the doctor has, etc.</p>
<p>The folks designing the access control policies in the back-end systems want to set up a policy that defines what the doctor assigned to a patient has access to in the system &#8211; charts, history, personal information, etc. So they define an access control policy that states that anybody in the &#8220;<em>Attending Doctor</em>&#8221; role has access to resources &#8220;Charts&#8221;, &#8220;History&#8221;, &#8220;Personal Information&#8221;, etc.</p>
<p>The real meat is in defining the &#8220;<em>Attending Doctor</em>&#8221; role, and how it is used in the system. A relationship-based role is a new kind of structure, different from statically defined roles, or dynamically-defined (Attribute-based) roles that we see commonly in systems today. Most roles simply have a <em>member</em> concept, and an authorization decision based on a role simply looks to see if the interacting user is a member of the authorized role. However, a relationship-based role has a <em>member relationship</em> concept, with each relationship having two end-points. So in Relationship-based RBAC, the authorization decision is based on looking at the member relationship of the role, and determining if the interacting user is one end of the relationship, while the protected resource is connected to the other end of the relationship.</p>
<p>Thus, you can have 100s of doctors connected to 1000s of patients using the &#8220;<em>Assigned Doctor</em>&#8221; relationship, but 1 &#8220;<em>Attending Doctor</em>&#8221; role that knows how to handle those many 1000s of relationships in its authorization context.</p>
<p>This is a very powerful concept, especially as social graphs start making their way into enterprise application contexts. So we are going to see more need for systems that handle this kind of need.</p>
<p class="tags">Tags: <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/rbac" rel="tag">RBAC</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/relationship-management" rel="tag">Relationship Management</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/relationship-based-rbac" rel="tag">Relationship-Based RBAC</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/role-management" rel="tag">Role Management</a></p>


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		<title>The Real World: Catalyst Conference Edition</title>
		<link>http://blog.talkingidentity.com/2008/07/the_real_world_catalyst_confer.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nishant Kaushik</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Insight IdM]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Burton Catalyst Conference]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[BurtonGroupCatalyst08]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[GRC]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Identity Assurance Framework]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Identity Governance Framework]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Identity Oracle]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Identity Proofing]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[IGF]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Nick Leeson]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Relationship Management]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[ Another Catalyst conference has come and gone, leaving us with a lot of material to chew on and ponder. Burton always forces us to think about what we are doing, especially those of us that have products to deliver. And it&#8217;s always interesting to see all the new companies that are popping up in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.catalyst.burtongroup.com/NA08/ConferenceElements.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/catalystlogo08.jpg" border="0" alt="" align="right" /></a> Another Catalyst conference has come and gone, leaving us with a lot of material to chew on and ponder. Burton always forces us to think about what we are doing, especially those of us that have products to deliver. And it&#8217;s always interesting to see all the new companies that are popping up in the space (Lori&#8217;s slide this year showing all the identity management companies looked like it needed a magnifying glass to read).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to recap all the interesting sessions that I attended. If you followed my <a href="http://summize.com/search?q=BurtonGroupCatalyst08+NishantK">twitter postings</a> (and a big &#8220;Hi and Thank You&#8221; to everyone who tripled my following last week by connecting, including some folks who signed up for Twitter just to follow me), you got a sense of what was being talked about, and my thoughts on the same. For some great reporting on the key sessions, read Mark Dixon&#8217;s blog postings (<a href="http://blogs.sun.com/identity/entry/catalyst_conference_recap" target="_blank">this post</a> is a map to the various posts he has written covering the conference).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll simply present what I saw as the theme of the conference: <strong>Reality Hits The World Of Identity</strong>. People are realizing that the only way this identity stuff is going to work is if the online experience and constructs mirror how we operate in the real world. And this opens up a whole set of new areas to explore.</p>
<p><strong>You Complete Me<br />
</strong><img style="border-top-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px" src="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/relationships.jpg" border="0" alt="relationships" width="260" height="141" align="right" /> A key realization that is taking hold is that <strong>relationships</strong> must be made a key part of the fabric of identity, and that relationships can form the trust basis for identity related transactions. While I don&#8217;t completely agree with Jamie&#8217;s assertion that a lot of work in the real world happens before any contracts are drawn up (no contractor can even begin work for Oracle until a contract is signed; similarly I can&#8217;t work for Oracle and get access to systems till an employment agreement is in place), I do recognize that the value proposition of transactions is a continuum, along which are different levels that require different levels of assurance. Assurance can be built up over time as a function of relationships (user is related to this company, user has X friends, user is certified by this identity provider, etc). <a href="http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog/archives/2008/06/27/relationships-are-complicated/" target="_blank">Eve Maler</a> gave a very interesting talk on how relationships can be nurtured and made available in the online world, and connected it to some of the work being done on <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/R-Card" target="_blank">R-Cards</a> and <a href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/projectvrm/Main_Page" target="_blank">Project VRM</a>.</p>
<p><strong>I Need An Authority Figure<br />
</strong><img style="border-top-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px" src="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/authenticity_seal_oval.jpg" border="0" alt="authenticity_seal_oval" width="260" height="163" align="right" />Another sign that real world concepts are seeping into the online world was the increased discussion on the topic of <strong>Identity Proofing</strong>, and the externalization of <strong>Authoritative Identity Providers</strong>. Just like in the real world, companies are realizing that in order to scale  and distribute liability, they would like someone else to be responsible for vetting identity data and providing a validated, trustworthy identity into their environments. This is the first sign of a legitimate market emerging for the <strong>Identity Oracle</strong> that Bob Blakely <a href="http://notabob.blogspot.com/2006/07/meta-identity-system.html" target="_blank">has defined</a>, and that I have discussed so often in the context of Identity Services. The Liberty Alliance has <a href="http://www.projectliberty.org/liberty/strategic_initiatives/identity_assurance" target="_blank">jumped in here</a> to help out by proposing an <strong>Identity Assurance Framework</strong> (our old friend Frank Villavicencio is co-chair of the effort) that can define a trust language in this context. And everyone knows that I consider the work being done on the IGF a critical part of such an infrastructure.</p>
<p><strong>I Got Your GRC Right Here (Not!)<br />
</strong><img style="border-top-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px" src="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/croc-bathing-at-your-risk.jpg" border="0" alt="croc-bathing-at-your-risk" width="220" height="221" align="right" /> Burton decided to take the IAM vendors to task for using GRC as a crutch to sell all manner of products. Referring to GRC as a four letter word, Bob attempted to blow up the myths surrounding GRC and posited that all the bluster around GRC has made companies lose sight of what they really need to address. He stated that each discipline conflated within GRC should be looked at independently by businesses with regards to its objectives, and that tools and processes should be put in place that address the specific needs identified. The message was clear &#8211; there is no such thing as a GRC product; instead there are a multitude of products that provide tools for addressing specific problems that fall under one of these disciplines, and enterprises should take a fresh look at what GRC means to them and how to approach it.</p>
<p>For me, the highlight of the conference was the talk by <strong>Nick Leeson</strong>, the securities trader who brought down <strong>Barings Bank</strong>. Not a technical talk at all, his explanation of how his actions exploited failings in the areas of governance and compliance drove home the point about process and tools being complementary parts of the puzzle.</p>
<p>The rest of the conference had some interesting announcements and decent discussions on the usual topics of <em>Authentication</em>, <em>Provisioning</em> and <em>Role Management</em>. I did what little I could to break the monotony and generate some controversy, but I&#8217;ll cover all of these in my upcoming posts.</p>
<p class="tags">Tags: <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/burton-catalyst-conference" rel="tag">Burton Catalyst Conference</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/burtongroupcatalyst08" rel="tag">BurtonGroupCatalyst08</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/grc" rel="tag">GRC</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-assurance-framework" rel="tag">Identity Assurance Framework</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-governance-framework" rel="tag">Identity Governance Framework</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-oracle" rel="tag">Identity Oracle</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/identity-proofing" rel="tag">Identity Proofing</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/igf" rel="tag">IGF</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/nick-leeson" rel="tag">Nick Leeson</a>, <a href="http://blog.talkingidentity.com/tag/relationship-management" rel="tag">Relationship Management</a></p>


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